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Local Customs: The use of "ciao"
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  • A recent forum discussion had several people debate on the use of "ciao".

    First of all, "ciao" is a friendly way of saying both "hello" (when meeting) or "goodbye" (when departing). It's generally intended to be an informal way to greet. However, the formality matter is a subject of controversy even among Italian linguists.

    Ciao in origin was not informal, as it comes from the Venetian "Sciao", which is their way of pronouncing the word "Schiavo", meaning slave. So it was actually very reverential. When the word got outside Veneto it became informal, although I don't agree with the interpretation and try to use the word as much as possible within the boundaries of rudeness.

    As a middle-aged man (in Dante's terms, i.e. almost 35), I find that more and more people use formal greeting words with me. There comes another important rule: if you say ciao to someone you're entitled to address them with "tu", while if you say "buongiorno" or the likes you should also use "lei". This works more or less like in German or French, even though the French tend to use more "vous" than we use "lei".

    In general, you'll be ok saying "ciao" to all people younger than you (though they're likely to answer formally if you're evidently older) or with anyone who's the same age as you provided you're not older than, say, 40. In that case the "ciao" can be used reciprocally.

    In business meetings things can vary. Some companies make it a rule to say "ciao" to everyone, others are more conservative. In doubt, ask or go for the formal way and wait for others to tell you "diamoci del tu".

    Kids can always be addressed with "ciao" and they're likely to do the same. Some places where informality is a must (i.e. in the restaurant Antica Birreria Peroni, see my tip) you'll be addressed with "ciao" (in the best case :o).

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    Comments for baronedivandastad about Rome
    fdrich29 Thu Apr 12, 2007 23:13 UTC
     One of the best Rome pages on VT! Grazie Il Barone!! Can't wait to be in Italy again, I'll certainly be following many of your tips. Frank
    Roadquill Sun Dec 31, 2006 06:19 UTC
     Mac, good restaurant tips, hopefully next year I can use them. Also the tip about finding the Peroni. Cheers, Karl
    icunme Mon May 1, 2006 17:06 UTC
     Hi there Baron - saved many of your restaurant tips to my guide - hope all is well w/you. Ciao, Carol
    Gili_S Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:34 UTC
     I love your "No things to do page" & your "Driving and walking" rules are excellent. Ciao ;-)
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